{"id":835,"date":"2024-10-01T17:54:30","date_gmt":"2024-10-01T17:54:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/?p=835"},"modified":"2024-10-07T13:28:43","modified_gmt":"2024-10-07T13:28:43","slug":"godot-and-toxic-wokeness","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/index.php\/2024\/10\/01\/godot-and-toxic-wokeness\/","title":{"rendered":"Godot, Toxic Wokeness, and What Sensible Progressives Should Do About\u00a0It?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><strong>I\u2019m not really deep in the gaming community but I\u2019ve been following it a bit more closely since it became a violent culture war battlefield. When a good friend drew my attention to the recent Godot controversy saying I can expect some toxic wokeness there, I had to look at it. It is a great case study on handling extremism\u200a\u2014\u200aon both sides.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The unnecessary storm<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>A week ago, some random dude from Warsaw, Poland, posted a reply to a tweet in which an indie game developer shared footage of their upcoming game built using Unreal Engine 5. The reply was, to put it mildly, daft.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"776\" height=\"227\" src=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-837\" srcset=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image.png 776w, https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-300x88.png 300w, https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-768x225.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 776px) 100vw, 776px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Oh no, somebody on the internet is wrong! Quick, call the cavalry!<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Or you could, you know, just live your life and ignore stupid people. I think that there is one correct way to respond to this kind of comment: not at all. Particularly since to put it mildly, this person is a random nobody:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"760\" height=\"548\" src=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-1.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-838\" srcset=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-1.png 760w, https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-1-300x216.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 760px) 100vw, 760px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>But three days later, Godot, a popular open-source game engine, decided to do otherwise:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"841\" height=\"370\" src=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-2.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-839\" srcset=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-2.png 841w, https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-2-300x132.png 300w, https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-2-768x338.png 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 841px) 100vw, 841px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>On the face of it, this could have been just an attempt to turn this into a publicity stunt. Anything to get your brand name out there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But it seems that in this case, it was not. The Community Manager who manages Godot\u2019s account was quickly identified and it seems like they are in fact a rather woke person who genuinely wanted to turn this into an opportunity for LGBTQ+ visibility. Oh, bless\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"531\" src=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-3-1024x531.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-840\" srcset=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-3-1024x531.png 1024w, https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-3-300x156.png 300w, https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-3-768x398.png 768w, https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-3.png 1170w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Honestly, I\u2019m not sure what to think about this. I\u2019m a bit on the fence when it comes to whether businesses should engage in politics and social issues. It\u2019s usually distasteful and dishonest, but it can be done right and have a positive effect. In this case, it seems like a genuine expression of what at least Nat thinks, so at least there\u2019s that. Whether it represents all of Godot is another question.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There was a whole discussion about this on X, but it\u2019s not what I want to focus on. The question isn\u2019t whether Godot or particular people in it should have taken a stance here, it\u2019s how they\u2019ve done it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The woke&nbsp;na\u00efvet\u00e9<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Mostly, I just think that posting this was hopelessly na\u00efve. Because obviously, this tweet has turned into a massive flame war with a lot of shit and hate poured on Godot, and a fair bit of shit and hate poured in retaliation. Basically, it was a microcosm of what social media is all about maximising engagement through fanning anger and hate. Elon Musk is the winner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Anyway, why was posting this na\u00efve? If you don\u2019t know, the gaming industry is experiencing quite a wave of cultural backlash. Ubisoft, a huge studio, is in a middle of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2024\/09\/11\/arts\/assassins-creed-shadows-yasuke-samurai-japan.html\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">a shitstorm<\/a> over \u2018diversity gone wild,\u2019 there are loads of anti-woke conspiracy theories floating about\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I mean, what exactly were you thinking when posting this, Nat? That all you\u2019ll get is replies from Indy dev studios singing kumbaya together?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You broke the first rule of the internet\u200a\u2014\u200adon\u2019t feed the trolls! Haters thrive on conflict. You gave them what they want. How is anyone surprised how this developed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But so far, I would say all this was just dumb and na\u00efve. Whatever, walk on and don\u2019t get pulled into stupid discussions, is my take on it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It was what happened next that was the problem.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The banning\u00a0spree &#8211; is that toxic wokeness?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Nat (or whoever was managing the Godot account at this point\u200a\u2014\u200alet\u2019s call them Nat*) started banning people who posted negative comments on this tweet. In fact, it looks like people got banned for anything less than unconditional support. Godot\u2019s own supporters got banned. It really got out of hand.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The Godot community manager is so out of control that they are blocking people who simply post the Godot creators words.<br><br>They are lashing out blindly, blocking on whim in a rage, not realizing their creators own quotes or, on another case, blocking titanium level funding\u2026 <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/PHTPJK5iM7\">https:\/\/t.co\/PHTPJK5iM7<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/BCm5JV6wS9\">pic.twitter.com\/BCm5JV6wS9<\/a><\/p>&mdash; Grummz (@Grummz) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Grummz\/status\/1840398940241604648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 29, 2024<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The situation worsened when @Xananax, a moderator of the unofficial Godot-related Discord channels, decided to don his shining armour and began another massive banning spree targeting everyone who expressed any critical views of the whole thing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now, I understand that it\u2019s hard to think straight when you\u2019re in the middle of a shitstorm. I get that Nat, Nat*, and other Godot people must have felt under attack and were not thinking straight while banning people left right, and centre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To anyone who would blame them for this (and there were many!), I recommend a good long look in the mirror. Are you always keeping your cool and doing the right thing when you\u2019re feeling attacked and hugely stressed by a massive amount of hate being poured on you?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Stop pointing at the splinter in your brother\u2019s eye, and all that. Sorry. Your queer sibling\u2019s eye. The point is\u200a\u2014\u200ait\u2019s human to make bad decisions under stress. Have some understanding and wait for Godot (hehe) to respond after they had a chance to cool down a bit.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And this is where it gets interesting for me. The Godot official channel released a statement two days ago. But Xananax himself did so as well, a day before. And how different these statements were!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But before we look at what great examples of positive and toxic wokeness those statements offer, let\u2019s clarify one thing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Is banning people&nbsp;OK?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>I take guidance from Bertrand Russell here. He wasn\u2019t just a great philosopher, a pioneer of open relationships, and looked amazing with a pipe. He was also a staunch pacifist.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image aligncenter size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"370\" height=\"370\" src=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-841\" srcset=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-1.jpeg 370w, https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-1-300x300.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/image-1-150x150.jpeg 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 370px) 100vw, 370px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Russell believed in resolving conflicts through dialogue and reason rather than violence\u200a\u2014\u200aa commitment rooted in his philosophical principles and his experiences during World War I, where he witnessed the devastation caused by war.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>However, as Hitler gained power in Germany, Russell argued strongly and vehemently for Britain to put an end to Nazism even if it means another war. Why? Because he thought that in the face of extreme oppression and violence armed resistance is justified, and the consequences of inaction\u200a\u2014\u200aallowing the spread of fascism\u200a\u2014\u200acould lead to far greater suffering than the war itself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>His thoughts trickled down to us as the \u2018Nazi Bar\u2019 allegory. If you own a bar and one day someone expressing Nazi views shows up, you might think: <em>ah, maybe it\u2019s not that bad<\/em>, maybe you try to reason with them. But if you let them stay, soon more people like that show up and you find yourself running a bar filled with Nazis.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Or you just throw the first Nazi out and keep your bar clean.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">So, was Nat* and Xananax just throwing Nazis out of their&nbsp;bar?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>I think this is where the crux of the matter and the defining feature of Toxic Wokeness are. Because, for a moment, it seemed like Nat* and Xananax were treating everybody who posted hateful comments, or was just dismissive, or a bit sarcastic, or maybe just wasn\u2019t supportive enough of their stance, as Nazis. Or, you know, sexist, LGBT-phobic, hateful, racist\u2026 pick your equivalent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The question to you is: are they all Nazis (or equivalent)?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because sure, ban those who actually engage in hate speech and inciting violence. But don\u2019t fall on this slippery slope and dismiss everyone whose views differ from yours!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>It is very easy to justify being shit to people if you paint them as Nazis. If you keep doing that, it\u2019s easy to kind of become a Nazi yourself. In fact, one of the defining features of extremist ideologies is labelling dissenting voices as wrong or unacceptable and dismissing them without any discussion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But let\u2019s get back to our story.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Toxic Wokeness of&nbsp;Xananax<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>I have all the understanding for people who react badly when under pressure, as long as they then take the time to cool down, think clearly, and rectify their mistakes. Both Xananax and the broader Godot leadership (I assume it was no longer just Nat) had time to do so.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>After two days, Xananax released the following statement:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Godot Discord moderator\u2019s insane response to all the drama <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/6vBRKPD7YJ\">pic.twitter.com\/6vBRKPD7YJ<\/a><\/p>&mdash; Pirat_Nation \ud83d\udd34 (@Pirat_Nation) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Pirat_Nation\/status\/1840439812836188412?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 29, 2024<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>In this statement, Xananax not only doubles down on his previous decisions. He basically admits to thinking that everyone he banned is in fact an equivalent of a Nazi:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>They are the filth of humanity and banning them is a kindness to everyone, including themselves.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And further confirms that he doesn\u2019t want to engage with anyone who in any way does not agree with him:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>They should be doing those tweets every 30mn, and anyone who has a problem with them can fuck off to oblivion, and then fuck off some more. And anyone having any slight issue with it here can fuck off too.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Wow. What a knight in shining armour indeed. The queer community is so grateful for your service.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Or is it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because here\u2019s the thing. Did Xananax\u2019s bans actually prevent any hate? Did it protect the queer community? Did they make the haters go: <em>huh, I guess I was unfair, queer people are people and they should be celebrated for making queer games, why not?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Or did they just make them go:<em> OMFG those woke people are more insane than I thought, what a bunch of fuckwits and fragile snowflakes! I\u2019ll go through every channel I have now to talk about this idiocy!<\/em> And subsequently, go create metric fucktons of content which subject the queer community to even more hate?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well fucking done, Xananax, thank you so much for your service. You have really done us a solid one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But that\u2019s the problem with Toxic Wokeness. It doesn\u2019t care about the consequences. <a href=\"https:\/\/simonfokt.org\/index.php\/2023\/04\/13\/the-favourite-pastime-of-progressives-shooting-at-allies\/\">All it cares about is feeling righteous<\/a>. The way things feel and appear is more important than the way things really are. The point of a toxically woke tirade is not to solve the problem\u200a\u2014\u200ait\u2019s to establish the speaker as morally superior and righteous. The problem can continue or get worse, as long as I get to feel smug about it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Fortunately, the Foundation itself was smarter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Positive Wokeness of&nbsp;Godot<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>We had to wait for Godot (sorry, I\u2019ll stop now) and their statement another day, but it was worth it. They gave us two: one about the whole situation, the other about Xananax. Here they are:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"500\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">From the Godot Foundation board: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/sE1YN0d1hh\">pic.twitter.com\/sE1YN0d1hh<\/a><\/p>&mdash; Godot Foundation (@godotfoundation) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/godotfoundation\/status\/1840721449364988300?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">September 30, 2024<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>There are some obvious problems with these statements. For one, the tweet led to the harassment \u2018unexpectedly\u2019?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Really?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>You put your hand into an anthill and then you were \u2018unexpectedly\u2019 bitten by ants? You walked into a biker bar wearing a rainbow tutu and you were \u2018unexpectedly\u2019 denied service? You forgot to state your pronouns at a queer circle and you were \u2018unexpectedly\u2019 given a five-hour inclusivity awareness lecture?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They also minimise the importance of the \u2018unofficial\u2019 Discord server which was in fact advertised on their official website. And at no point do they apologise to those who were banned unfairly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But fair enough\u200a\u2014\u200athey have their image to uphold. I think that overall, these statements are good. Assuming this was written in good faith, they:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Acknowledge responsibility for an over-reaction<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Offer a clear method for rectifying the mistakes (though riddled with a privacy issue as you have to provide your email address to get unbanned)<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Stand firm in their commitment to throw out actual Nazis from their bar.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Offer a clear way of determining who counts as a Nazi and who doesn\u2019t\u200a\u2014\u200atheir Code of Conduct.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Clearly condemn Xananax\u2019s toxic wokeness, even getting close to acknowledging his own hateful\u2026 wait, no, just \u2018harmful\u2019 language.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>This, I think, is a decent example of what Progressives should do in such situations. Of course, it would have been better to never have fucked up in the first place. But hey, shit happens. Like I said, those of you who never do stupid things when feeling attacked and overwhelmed, go on, throw the first stone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>What\u2019s important is that they were able to cool down, think clearly, and own up to the mistake, but at the same time stay committed to their core values.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And perhaps most importantly, that they chose to disavow the toxic wokeness of Xananax.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Clean your bar of the Nazis\u00a0Within and their toxic wokeness<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>By all means, protect your bar against the Nazis coming from the outside. But also pay close attention to the people within. You don\u2019t want your own bouncers becoming Nazis either.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>All too often, sensible people on either side of the political spectrum refuse to condemn their side\u2019s extremists, because they fear that this will annoy their base. They choose to protect their \u2018tribe\u2019, even if some people in that tribe are obviously toxic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There are plenty of conservative extremists and the sensible conservatives should absolutely condemn them. There are also plenty of liberal extremists and the sensible liberals should absolutely condemn them, too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In particular, I think we should condemn anyone who is much more interested in feeling righteous and receiving the validation of their echo chamber, than in actually making a positive impact. Those are the people who make us look stupid and unreasonable, and who proudly pose for those who wish to paint wokeness as hypocritical and evil.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>DO NOT VALIDATE THEM. Do not reward their posturing and do not give them attention. Look past what makes us feel righteous and think about what actually works in creating a more equal and fair world.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m happy that Godot has done it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now I\u2019m waiting for the rest of us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Thanks for reading, clapping, and commenting!<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@DrSimonFokt\/featured\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">WATCH MY VIDEOS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/ko-fi.com\/simonfokt\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">SUPPORT ME<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/linktr.ee\/simonfokt\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" target=\"_blank\">FOLLOW&nbsp;SOCIALS<\/a><\/h4>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019m not really deep in the gaming community but I\u2019ve been following it a bit more closely since it became a violent culture war battlefield. 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